USA vs EU

[Stopspot]

because we have a shitty ass president.

According to your conservative majority yes. According to the rest of the west. No.

The rest of the western world likes the Obama administration and the things it has tried to implement. It's just that your two parted political system (with a senate and House of representatives I believe it's called?) that screws you guys over. If one party is in minority in one it will be majority in the other one. Of course you will run into roadblocks in any administration, Republican or Democratic. But Obama has been good for your standing with other nations. More countries have developed a more positive reaction to the US under the Obama administration than under the Bush Administration. You haven't been this popular since the Clinton administration (Clinton was boss btw). I think you could still be the undisputed top that you have been for awhile had you not had this split in two system of government. It causes too many roadblocks in any kind of program or suggestion put forward by either side that could have been avoided.

Just my analysis. I have nothing against America. I just find that entire situation fascinating.

 

[Stopspot]

Why should you police the world? You haven't exactly created order in Iraq. Had you left right after the war ended it would have sorted itself out in a year (According to a UN study). Instead the presence of Us troops only egged the already shattered populace into fights with their mear presence (not intentionally but if any country has been invaded and the enemy then stays after they say the job is done you can be damn sure people will want to drive you out.)

Other nations don't see you as weak. We see Obama as a good strong leader for your country which has a clear, more modern vision for a country that is stuck in a mindset it should have left with the Vietnam war. Yet we do not see you as a country to just walk over. Your military might you already have has secured you the title of "Country no one fucks with unpunished" for at least another 100 years.

The "America Fuck yeah!" mentality doesn't buy you any perks with 90% of the populace of Europe. It only enforces the redneck stereotype.

These are not personal opinions but the general opinion of most of Europe.

I myself have American relatives (Republicans) who'me I talk with regularly so I have quite a good view of this from both sides.

The conservative side of the American political system sees Obama as weak cause he stands for everything they do not stand for. The rest of the world outside of the US sees a strong leader with a positive plan for possibly the biggest country the world has ever seen who is constantly undermined. No man can work his magic when the crowd is unreceptive of change.

 

[Stopspot]

Obama is trying to adopt the policies of Europe, which is why we are in such a bad position. It doesn't work over there, so why would it work over here.

The thing is. Europe does not have one generalised political system. Europe is not one country but a collection of multiple countries on a continent. Of course the systems in all countries aren't going to work. 70% of the countries in Europe are doing well though. The north Scandinavic countries, Germany and France as well as UK just to name a few have already or are repaired from the economic crash of 2009. The Scandinavians have already recouperated and create more and more jobs for example.

Obamas problem is trying to copy straight off of Europe and thinking it will work immediately for USA. That is stupid I can give you that. Since America and the European countries are vastly different on multiple fields. What he and the American government as a whole no matter the administration needs to do is look at what needs to be fixed in the American infrastructure (and don't say it doesn't need fixing it is far from perfect, no country has perfect infrastructure). Look at the European countries that are doing well, what they are doing and then ask themselves "Should we adopt this principle or something similar, and how do we adapt it to fit the American society and system?"

Thinking that one solution will work on one country just because it worked in several others that developed at roughly the same time and close to each other is stupid. And America needs change. Maybe not the one Obama is preaching but it needs to change some parts of it's society to stay relevant for the next 500 years unless it wants to fall by the wayside once the next economic and techno-logic boom takes place (Scientists and experts say it will happen in East Asia in Japan and South Korea with a certainty of 90%). Europe has to as well and has started to do that shift slowly.

No country is perfect, all have their flaws. It's just that with America trying to keep itself such a constant fixture on the international playing field it's flaws are more easily noticed.

If you wear the same shoes every day they are going to tear faster than if you vary between pairs (Shitty metaphor I know but it's what I could come up with on the fly.)

As previously stated. I have nothing against America. It's just this mentality that there are no faults and that it is perfect and that all possible faults are blamed on one guy and not the political ruling system as a whole that confounds me.

 

[Jose Tortilla]

Short in the posts and listen to the song I PM'd you! :upset:

 

[Donald Trump_]

The thing is. Europe does not have one generalised political system. Europe is not one country but a collection of multiple countries on a continent. Of course the systems in all countries aren't going to work. 70% of the countries in Europe are doing well though. The north Scandinavic countries, Germany and France as well as UK just to name a few have already or are repaired from the economic crash of 2009. The Scandinavians have already recouperated and create more and more jobs for example.

Obamas problem is trying to copy straight off of Europe and thinking it will work immediately for USA. That is stupid I can give you that. Since America and the European countries are vastly different on multiple fields. What he and the American government as a whole no matter the administration needs to do is look at what needs to be fixed in the American infrastructure (and don't say it doesn't need fixing it is far from perfect, no country has perfect infrastructure). Look at the European countries that are doing well, what they are doing and then ask themselves "Should we adopt this principle or something similar, and how do we adapt it to fit the American society and system?"

Thinking that one solution will work on one country just because it worked in several others that developed at roughly the same time and close to each other is stupid. And America needs change. Maybe not the one Obama is preaching but it needs to change some parts of it's society to stay relevant for the next 500 years unless it wants to fall by the wayside once the next economic and techno-logic boom takes place (Scientists and experts say it will happen in East Asia in Japan and South Korea with a certainty of 90%). Europe has to as well and has started to do that shift slowly.

No country is perfect, all have their flaws. It's just that with America trying to keep itself such a constant fixture on the international playing field it's flaws are more easily noticed.

If you wear the same shoes every day they are going to tear faster than if you vary between pairs (Shitty metaphor I know but it's what I could come up with on the fly.)

As previously stated. I have nothing against America. It's just this mentality that there are no faults and that it is perfect and that all possible faults are blamed on one guy and not the political ruling system as a whole that confounds me.

tl;dr summarize plz?

 

[Stopspot]

tl;dr summarize plz?

Summary: Obamas ideas are good in the long run but trying to adapt a generalised version of all the various political and infrastructural systems that exist in the many countries in the EU will only cause chaos. This is one of the reasons he is unpopular with the American people. His plans are good, his way of implementing them not so much and most Americans know this.

 

[Donald Trump_]

Summary: Obamas ideas are good in the long run but trying to adapt a generalised version of all the various political and infrastructural systems that exist in the many countries in the EU will only cause chaos. This is one of the reasons he is unpopular with the American people. His plans are good, his way of implementing them not so much and most Americans know this.

Wonder who will be elected in the re-election. :

 

[Stopspot]

i never said there was nothing wrong with America. There is a s*** ton wrong with America. America is seen as the best country because of its glorious past. I'm not so sure it is the greatest country now, but it will always have the potential to be under the right leadership.

There we can agree. America should have some sort of award of becoming a top ranking country over such a relatively short existence. Compared to older empires like Rome, England and others who built up over a long time you guys did a bang up job. America has the potential to be the greatest country in modern history for hundreds of more years under the correct leader. The personal opinion on who that is will always be different so I say we drop the political discussions and agree that we have different views on some things and similar on others.

 

[Donald Trump_]

to whoever compared austin to usa. oh its true. tunga: USA is GOAT country.

 

[Crayo]

Politics time.

Obama hasn't caused your countries demise in the economic structure, he just hasn't fixed it. He's not a president that's caused a load of shit (like Bush), he just hasn't done anything at all to heal it. I agree he should be booted out and Ron Paul should take his place.

It's hard to argue a case for America atm with its obvious corrupt government and major industries like the music industry. However, there is no perfect country. You're not going to get many supporters when you look for wars for financial gain (oil) and go after people like Julian Assange instead of fixing your own country.

 

[Donald Trump_]

he hasn't fixed and he's also made it worse. F*** Paul. people look at him as if he's a F**cking political Messiah. Those same people looked at Obama the same way and look what were stuck with now. Paul could be taken seriously if he wasn't so out there with his foreign policy. I agree we shouldn't have our troops in so many countries, but to not have any anywhere is just crazy. If it was up to him, Iran would be able to have a nuclear bomb. The whole stay out of foreign affairs motto is fine and dandy, but pretty soon it starts to involve us and we need to intervene.

True, do we really need another WWI/Holocaust? Or something worst. :shock:

 

[Snowman]

As someone who lives in the US, Here are the good things about America right now:


I hope you enjoyed that list, it took forever to type.

 

[Jose Tortilla]

As someone who lives in the US, Here are the good things about America right now:


I hope you enjoyed that list, it took forever to type.

: liked

 

[Bort]

Obama is trying to adopt the policies of Europe, which is why we are in such a bad position. It doesn't work over there, so why would it work over here.

 

[Crayo]

he hasn't fixed and he's also made it worse. F*** Paul. people look at him as if he's a F**cking political Messiah. Those same people looked at Obama the same way and look what were stuck with now. Paul could be taken seriously if he wasn't so out there with his foreign policy. I agree we shouldn't have our troops in so many countries, but to not have any anywhere is just crazy. If it was up to him, Iran would be able to have a nuclear bomb. The whole stay out of foreign affairs motto is fine and dandy, but pretty soon it starts to involve us and we need to intervene.

I'm sorry but I can't believe how dumb this post it. I said he didn't fix anything for a start, but how has he made things worse? He's done nothing to even make things worse. Well, he did make a call to get Osama but yeah that's it. Give me a list of reasons why you should have any troops in Iraq. There is no WMD, none has been found. Why are you still there? Oil. Why do you still need troops in Afghan? You've got the guy you wanted, then leave.

If you actually study Ron Paul, IE, listen to his policies, they would work. The guy is a freaking genius. In 2000 I think he predicted 9/11. He predicted many many many things that have happened. Furthermore, it's okay for US to have thousands of nuclear weapons in hundreds of countries, but if Iraq got one it'd be the end of the world? Nuclear bombs shouldn't exist. What's the point? If America used those 1000+ nuclears, there would be no earth. The planet would implode. It's like sitting on one of those soft blow up chairs in a swimming pool, but holding a can of 1 thousand pins. Drop the can, and the blow up chair pops.

Also, please explain to me how our NHS is "failed"? If a women collapses in the street here, people help. In America, they can get charged $$ for bringing in someone if they don't have insurance. Wtf is that? Adopting our health policy was the best thing America has done. Now you need to take note on our benefit policy too, which is fucked up but a lot less than US.