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There was a recent study I want to say only about a month ago where it showed both sides of voters thought political violence was getting worse but that it was only one side. Humans can be so funny in a sad way. It's straight up "no u" politics so nothing will improve
Some people are just woefully ignorant, I guess. I mean, even the never Trumper’s can take some large responsibility for the fact that a supposedly republican voter was the one that tried to assassinate Trump. Everyone got a hand in it.
 

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I think where I'm still taking some issue is we're seeing two different things still. You're saying you didn't see the outpour of hate when the Democrats were killed and I bet that's true in the form of social media and online, you would have to venture onto Truth Social for that on the Republican side, but you don't andyou have lots of liberal friends (and someone the more extreme side) But what I haven't seen today is Democrat politicians doing any of that as you said. What I saw when the congressmen were killed months ago was a Republican make specific memes and jokes about it the day after, and the president saying he wouldn't call the governor to give condolences. It was just one for what it's worth but that's a lot different to me than.. just to pick on him one more time, Grim saying just about anything.
 

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I would like to make it clear there is a difference between Maga/Reform and right wing
 
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Very true but I think it's best to try and just talk past these labels nowadays bc people get too fixated on the definitions honestly. Like just say what you mean about a specific situation and let's go from there, if you don't know what to label yourself as that's a good thing to me lol like I've seen people waste entire discussions just arguing whether something is "maga" or "woke" and they never touch on whether they like the policy or not, just what it's defined as
 

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I think where I'm still taking some issue is we're seeing two different things still. You're saying you didn't see the outpour of hate when the Democrats were killed and I bet that's true in the form of social media and online, you would have to venture onto Truth Social for that on the Republican side, but you don't andyou have lots of liberal friends (and someone the more extreme side) But what I haven't seen today is Democrat politicians doing any of that as you said. What I saw when the congressmen were killed months ago was a Republican make specific memes and jokes about it the day after, and the president saying he wouldn't call the governor to give condolences. It was just one for what it's worth but that's a lot different to me than.. just to pick on him one more time, Grim saying just about anything.
It is true. I do not venture onto truth social so maybe there are more extremist over there, but Twitter is also a pretty strong right wing town Square also filled with more Nazis and I like to see on a daily basis which if we’re blaming anybody for being hateful rhetoric pushing morons probably I would blame Nazis more than anybody. Because how the hell do you exist?

I understand the distinction you’re trying to make. But I will say for me seeing every day people since at least the moment Trump walked down the escalator use the language that demonizes everybody on the Republican side consistently for almost a decade now dents on my psyche, a little more than what a politician might say but I do own that MAGA isn’t helping like I said in a previous post. If MAGA can’t own the ways in which they’re not helping and can’t denounce political violence like their peers on the Democrat side, they shouldn’t be representing anybody. I do think MAGA specifically are a classless people and if this had been 10 years ago, I don’t think any Republican politicians would have belittled the death of the lawmakers in that way, and they all would have released some kind of statement similar to the way the Democrats are today, which is just unfortunate that the division we’ve gotten to at this point.

But that’s why I find it important to praise the Democrats on at least on the political side that are denouncing political violence because I’m not one of those people that tries to demonize the entire side I just wish there was more people that were trying to come to the middle on the ground level on both sides, but interestingly as someone that does have liberal friends, I had a lot more but one by one most cut me off when Trump won the Presidency. I’m just waiting for us to unite.

I denounce anyone on the right that does contribute to the violence and the rhetoric that leads to it and I’ll call them out when I see as I do regularly with Nazis that especially populate X.

To cut some bread with you, I will say that I do think more of the harsh rhetoric that comes specifically from politicians are coming from the Republican/MAGA side, including the never Trumpers that contribute to the animosity on their own side towards their side and the way that they speak about Democrats in general in the wake of tragedies. Not to say that Joe Biden didn’t also basically say that all Republicans were a threat to democracy in a speech, but on average, the MAGA folks are the ones that are doing more divide on the top end of the spectrum. which is why I was saying earlier I missed the Romney/Obama era because once upon a time, the politicians at least respected people that they disagree with across the aisle.
 

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For the record you don't have to always denounce Nazis to me, I know that's a requirement for some folks but it's redundant to me when I think it's more of a "no shit" opinion. I mostly feel the same with saying "people shouldn't be shot" so that's why you usually won't see me explicitly denounce violence like Kirk or even the dem politicians, pretty sure I never said any version of "this can't happen on this country" or whatever, like it's just implied when reasonable folk are talking IMO. Probably gonna get me in trouble one day tho
 
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For the record you don't have to always denounce Nazis to me, I know that's a requirement for some folks but it's redundant to me when I think it's more of a "no shit" opinion. I mostly feel the same with saying "people shouldn't be shot" so that's why you usually won't see me explicitly denounce violence like Kirk or even the dem politicians, pretty sure I never said any version of "this can't happen on this country" or whatever, like it's just implied when reasonable folk are talking IMO. Probably gonna get me in trouble one day tho
Fair. I just try to call them out whenever I can.

It’s probably pointless at this point.
 

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Yeah it doesn't hurt anything at all, I'm just mindful how annoying it can be when you feel like you have to comment "but yes x thing is also bad" when you criticize thing y, every single time
 
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I will say from a perspective that the Right of America is very confusing. Non Maga Republicans and MAGA, just seem to fall in line and be part of the same team when they refer to themselves as 'Republicans'.

The only comparison I can draw from the UK, is it would as if The Conversatives (Tories) were to someone have a wing of the BNP or National Front suddenly become the same body as the Tories and then was to actually take control of leadership. Most moderate Conservatives and even a lot of middle ground Tories would jump ship immediately I feel. (I don't mention Reform because that is a very complicated blend of left and right wing politics all at the same time). I just feel that whilst MAGA exist, if non-MAGA supporters continue to champion the Republican Party then its like denouncing a sports team, but going to all of their games home and away.
 

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I will say from a perspective that the Right of America is very confusing. Non Maga Republicans and MAGA, just seem to fall in line and be part of the same team when they refer to themselves as 'Republicans'.

The only comparison I can draw from the UK, is it would as if The Conversatives (Tories) were to someone have a wing of the BNP or National Front suddenly become the same body as the Tories and then was to actually take control of leadership. Most moderate Conservatives and even a lot of middle ground Tories would jump ship immediately I feel. (I don't mention Reform because that is a very complicated blend of left and right wing politics all at the same time). I just feel that whilst MAGA exist, if non-MAGA supporters continue to champion the Republican Party then its like denouncing a sports team, but going to all of their games home and away.
I’m hoping that MAGA eventually gets fed up with the establishment Republicans and go off and split into their own political party like the tea party tried to.
 

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Very true but I think it's best to try and just talk past these labels nowadays bc people get too fixated on the definitions honestly. Like just say what you mean about a specific situation and let's go from there, if you don't know what to label yourself as that's a good thing to me lol like I've seen people waste entire discussions just arguing whether something is "maga" or "woke" and they never touch on whether they like the policy or not, just what it's defined as
I think it’s sometimes important if we’re talking about politicians specifically because sometimes different factions get grouped together and shouldn’t but when it comes to policy, I don’t care if something is MAGA or woke. I agree with you that is the policy good or is it bad?
 

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MAGA, Trumpism, and QAnon are all part of the same branch of American Fascism, slogans and all. The Republican Party at large is just happy to play along because it keeps them in power atm. The moment that Trumpism is no longer useful to them, it'll likely be abandoned and Republicans will pretend that they were never on board with it.
 

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Don’t remind me of Q.