MVP vs Regal?

[MikeRaw]

Firstly, you initially said Regal was a "low card" guy. He isn't.

He is right now. He won't be once this feud gets going though. But that'll be because he'll be beneifiting from feuding with someone from MVP. Out of character, I think we all respect Regal for what he is, which is a brawling, respect veteran, who puts guys over, and entertains you. He also puts on soem damn entertaining feuds. But in kayfabe, the guy has been doing nothing for the past 4 months or so, since his feud with Punk, and therefore, he's not viewed as a big challenge for MVP kayfabe wise, so even if MVP comes out on top in the feud, it's not AS impressive as it would be if Regal had been relevant, and the top midcard guy for a few months leading up to this feud.

 

[Luke Flywalker]

But if Regal cheats him out of the belt, it builds more heat for Regal again, and more draw for MVP after Judgment Day.

 

[Kaedon]

And yeah, there is no way in hell, MVP drops the belt. Regal is in the mechanics position of getting a guy over. Thats what hes good at.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Tell me, and what other feud would you have gave to MVP to kill time until he clashes with Orton? Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase handicap or in tag team action? Oh yeah, the same feud that buried for last CM PUnk's main event run.

MVP will be in the main event, you just have to wait. Orton is busy with Batista, and ONS is just 2 weeks after JD, so he will still be busy with Batista. He needs to wrap Batista up before going against MVP. This way, at least MVP has something to do until that happens.

 

[Double J]

IF they wanted to go ahead and push MVP to the main event but have him loose the title to Regal, all they would have to do is have the fued last until JD or ONS then at the title match have Priceless come in and cost MVP the title.

Regal now has the title and MVP has another reason to get involved with Legacy.

Keep in mind though Ted Dibiase's movie is due out sometime this year and they'll most likely want to push him as a face, that could also set up for MVP/Dibiase vs Rhodes/Orton but I seriously doubt it.

 

[noumenon]

^Dibiasi's movie is straight to DVD release...I'm sure they don't give a fuck about his status during the release. And if Legacy breaks at any point this year it would have been a horrible waste of time.

 

[Airfixx]

^^^^Couldn't agree more.... It's WW(restling)E not WF(ilm)E.

He is right now. He won't be once this feud gets going though. But that'll be because he'll be beneifiting from feuding with someone from MVP.

So, by your logic HBK is a low card guy until he becomes active again and a new fued gets underway?

As I've already said, Regal is established.... He doesn't need to be on TV every week to retain his spot... Whether it's been a week or a couple of months, as soon as he appears through 'the curtain' all the old heat comes back.

Just like the pops are always there for someone like HBK.

Granted IF he had a few wins under his belt over the last few months he may have seemed an even more threatening challenge for MVP, but bottom line he is still a totally credible challenger for a mid-card title (Especially seeing as he's a recent mid-card title HOLDER!).


Tell me Mike, would you deem Kendrick/Chavo/Noble (i.e. The true LOW card heels) as more/less credible bearing in mind they HAVE been on TV doing their "low card heel" thing (i.e. getting squashed by guys above them on the roster)?

 

[seX-Power]

I can only hope that perhaps they're using Regal to take the belt off of him and clear him up for a main event push.

I'm actually expecting this. If he is to be elevated up the card then he has to lose the US title while he still can look almost credible in defeat, and now he could lose to Regal dirtily without suffering so much. If he drops it later he will look much weaker and it would have to be to a higher level opponent, which is not what the US title needs. (see Chris Jericho winning the IC title off Hardy once Jeff became a legit upper mid card/main eventer)

 

[Airfixx]

If he is to be elevated up the card then he has to lose the US title while he still can look almost credible in defeat, and now he could lose to Regal dirtily without suffering so much. If he drops it later he will look much weaker and it would have to be to a higher level opponent, which is not what the US title needs. (see Chris Jericho winning the IC title off Hardy once Jeff became a legit upper mid card/main eventer)

Good point that!

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Tbh, we should just be satisfied they are making a feud for the midcard title for a change.

I know for a fact that in 3 months, had they just have MVP went to the main event, a thread would have been created of how MVP carries the US belt as a prop.

 

[Luke Flywalker]

All this DiBiase talk needs to cease! Fucking KANE was heel during the release of his film. Fuck, he went MORE heel after it released. Granted he got pops, but people liked the shit he was doing because they went out to see his movie.

Rock came back from one of his movies as a heel during it's release. Not saying DiBiase is The Rock or Kane with his heel status and general fan respect... but you don't have to be the face of the company when your movie releases.

 

[Beer Money Army]

a bit of a de-push to MVP. but hey i am not complaining with the in-ring matches mvp vs regal will be.

I remember Cm punk feuded with regal in Jan, (i was a lil dissappointed in a few of there matches due to the fact they only went for 2-5 mins).

but 2-4 months afterwards Punk is MITB

 

[MikeRaw]

So, by your logic HBK is a low card guy until he becomes active again and a new fued gets underway?

As I've already said, Regal is established.... He doesn't need to be on TV every week to retain his spot... Whether it's been a week or a couple of months, as soon as he appears through 'the curtain' all the old heat comes back.

Just like the pops are always there for someone like HBK.

Granted IF he had a few wins under his belt over the last few months he may have seemed an even more threatening challenge for MVP, but bottom line he is still a totally credible challenger for a mid-card title (Especially seeing as he's a recent mid-card title HOLDER!).

Tell me Mike, would you deem Kendrick/Chavo/Noble (i.e. The true LOW card heels) as more/less credible bearing in mind they HAVE been on TV doing their "low card heel" thing (i.e. getting squashed by guys above them on the roster)?

No. Just like Triple H will still be a top guy when he returns, and Cena is when he returns, so will HBK. The difference is, Regal wasn't a huge star right before this feud when he was off TV. He was great in his day, and still is, and I still love pretty much any feud he's in, but he was only a respectable midcarder in say, January, and since his loss to Punk, has been pretty rarely seen, and upon returning, his stock lowered. It's higher now though, and will continue to rise during this feud. But I really think the whole debate about where in the card Regal stands isn't even really relevant here, considering it was a small sidenote. The real debate is whether it's who MVP should be feuding with. Let's just say he is a midcarder (which I wouldn't overly argue. What I meant by lowcard was low-midcard anyway), then the argument just becomes whether or not MVP should be feuding with him.
The whole "where he is on the card" debate has run it's course, and doesn't even really mean anything. I just wanna debate/lsten to opinions on the act of him feuding with Real.
And on that topic, like I said, no doubt it'll be a great feud, and probably some of WWE's best matches in a while are coming up between the two. I just think MVP's already done this type of stuff. Again, it's not going to hurt his career at all, really. It just won't enhance it, either. Because I really think he's already done this type of stuff.

 

[Luke Flywalker]

^But you think it is hurting his career, or at least the current storyline.

MVP already said he wasn't going to be in the WWE Championship scene at Judgment Day, he made that clear already. Regal has stepped up and challenged him for the belt. While you're downplaying Regal's status of late, you're seemingly ignoring the fact it also brings credibility back to Regal.

And you keep saying MVP's done this already? He's never been on the face side of a feud in the WWE. He's never had to prove he can sell being a face against one of the most respected performers in the WWE. He's proving he can run a face-role in a feud while he's still in the spotlight coming off his hint at a feud with the top heel on Raw, and go into the most physical matches he's had in his career to this point.

And Regal is a great transition from Shelton Benjamin building up to a feud with a mix between Regal/Benjamin (sorta) in Randy Orton. HBK already isn't going to be in the title scene. We know this. HHH is already taking some time off, he'll probably come back and feud with Batista instead of Orton, giving MVP more time. Batista could be finished with Orton within the next two PPV's to leave him out for a while and start something fresh with MVP.

And one more thing about this whole "done this before" comment... what is really the most physical feud MVP's been in? In a feud with Regal, we're GUARANTEED he's going to be in a brawl or two, to display his versatility. Matt was more of a mat-technician when he was feuding with MVP, he wasn't throwing his hay-makers and elbows. It's going to be a completely fresh booking for MVP.

 

[MikeRaw]

^But you think it is hurting his career, or at least the current storyline.

While you're downplaying Regal's status of late, you're seemingly ignoring the fact it also brings credibility back to Regal.

I stopped reading after this, which is sad, really, cause it looked like you may have had some good points. If you're referring to the part about 15 posts ago, where I said 'this will just leave him the same as he is, maybe even set him back further', that was many posts ago, and didn't even say it would definately set him back. As you can see though, I've made about 3 posts since then explaining that I know it won't hurt him, it's more that I was just hopeful after the last little while that he'd finally make the jump out of the midcard now. As for the second par tthat I quoted, no, I'm not ignoring that. This tells me you didn't actually take the effort to read the posts. Try it. You'll see I've said many times that this helps Regal. Here, I'll even show you an example of when I said it, from my previous post...

and since his loss to Punk, has been pretty rarely seen, and upon returning, his stock lowered. It's higher now though, and will continue to rise during this feud.

Seeing as it's too hard to understand, and I've said the same thing in plenty of posts, I can't say it anymore... Just go look at Soulpower's post. That one basically sums up my feelings on this... Here's what SP posted:

Yes, I'm pissed with what they're doing with MVP. Don't get me wrong, I fully expect MVP vs Regal to be 10 shades of awesome, but in less than an hour, MVP went from a potential feud with Legacy, to a feud with Regal.
I love Regal, I think he's great on the mic and in the ring, but this feud does NOTHING to help elevate MVP. Ultimately, he'll end up in pretty much the same position as he was on SD not that long ago.

Really not hard to grasp.